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		<title>By: Cash, diversification and hedging &#124; Financial engineering resource center</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash, diversification and hedging &#124; Financial engineering resource center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carl Richards at behavior gap says in plain language what many have felt this past year.  &#8220;Losses hurt [a lot]!&#8220;  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cash, diversification and hedging Abnormal Returns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash, diversification and hedging Abnormal Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carl Richards at behavior gap says in plain language what many have felt this past year.  &#8220;Losses hurt [a lot]!&#8220;  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sunday Link Rodeo 5 &#171; Evolution of Wealth</title>
		<link>http://www.behaviorgap.com/losses-hurt-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Link Rodeo 5 &#171; Evolution of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Losses HURT![A Lot] and Social Science vs Physical Science from @behaviorgap Two great thought provoking posts this week.  These are just must reads from one of my favorite bloggers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carl Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark- that is correct, but what I am referring to here is that even after&lt;br&gt;the fact, just because one has a higher average annual return does not mean&lt;br&gt;that you end up with more money than another investment with a lower annual&lt;br&gt;rate of return.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is &quot;old news&quot; for some of us in the industry, but most [almost all]&lt;br&gt;people find shocking is that you can have an investment with a lower return&lt;br&gt;and up with more dollars at the end. In other words when choosing two&lt;br&gt;investments even with perfect foreknowledge it is not always the one with&lt;br&gt;the higher average annual rate of return that ends up with more dollars...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is called &quot;risk drag&quot; or &quot;volatility drag&quot; and is something that&lt;br&gt;receives far too little attention. We have a post coming about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know you know this, but most people don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark- that is correct, but what I am referring to here is that even after<br />the fact, just because one has a higher average annual return does not mean<br />that you end up with more money than another investment with a lower annual<br />rate of return.</p>
<p>This is &#8220;old news&#8221; for some of us in the industry, but most [almost all]<br />people find shocking is that you can have an investment with a lower return<br />and up with more dollars at the end. In other words when choosing two<br />investments even with perfect foreknowledge it is not always the one with<br />the higher average annual rate of return that ends up with more dollars&#8230;</p>
<p>This is called &#8220;risk drag&#8221; or &#8220;volatility drag&#8221; and is something that<br />receives far too little attention. We have a post coming about it.</p>
<p>I know you know this, but most people don&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Losing money is far more painful [emotionally &amp; financially] then making it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, that is human psychology but it isn&#039;t really logical... Isn&#039;t reacting to that perceived pain a big factor that creates the behavior gap?  Why not learn how to deal with that pain and stick to your plan instead of trying to insure against?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;the last 12 months have helped many of us realize that the costs [emotional &amp; financial] of &gt;unprotected equity exposure might far outweigh the benefits. It turns out that higher returns do not &gt;always lead to more money if it comes with greater risk.&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been very happy with the opportunity from last 12 months... in fact I WISH the market had taken LONGER to recover so that I could have bought MORE cheap stocks.   I didn’t like seeing my account balances drop, but I don’t NEED to sell any shares for another 25 years so I kept Warren’s rule in mind and didn’t sell.   I didn&#039;t turn the paper losses into real losses.  I also followed Warren&#039;s other advice: &quot;..be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful&quot;  and increased my IRA contributions.   Both turned out to be very good advice in the short term, likely very great advice in the long term.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Rick Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Losing money is far more painful [emotionally &#038; financially] then making it.</p>
<p>Yes, that is human psychology but it isn&#39;t really logical&#8230; Isn&#39;t reacting to that perceived pain a big factor that creates the behavior gap?  Why not learn how to deal with that pain and stick to your plan instead of trying to insure against?  </p>
<p>&gt;the last 12 months have helped many of us realize that the costs [emotional &#038; financial] of &gt;unprotected equity exposure might far outweigh the benefits. It turns out that higher returns do not &gt;always lead to more money if it comes with greater risk.<br />I&#39;ve been very happy with the opportunity from last 12 months&#8230; in fact I WISH the market had taken LONGER to recover so that I could have bought MORE cheap stocks.   I didn’t like seeing my account balances drop, but I don’t NEED to sell any shares for another 25 years so I kept Warren’s rule in mind and didn’t sell.   I didn&#39;t turn the paper losses into real losses.  I also followed Warren&#39;s other advice: &#8220;..be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful&#8221;  and increased my IRA contributions.   Both turned out to be very good advice in the short term, likely very great advice in the long term.</p>
<p>-Rick Francis</p>
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		<title>By: thinkingcarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>thinkingcarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark- that is correct, but what I am referring to here is that even after&lt;br&gt;the fact, just because one has a higher average annual return does not mean&lt;br&gt;that you end up with more money than another investment with a lower annual&lt;br&gt;rate of return.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is &quot;old news&quot; for some of us in the industry, but most [almost all]&lt;br&gt;people find shocking is that you can have an investment with a lower return&lt;br&gt;and up with more dollars at the end. In other words when choosing two&lt;br&gt;investments even with perfect foreknowledge it is not always the one with&lt;br&gt;the higher average annual rate of return that ends up with more dollars...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is called &quot;risk drag&quot; or &quot;volatility drag&quot; and is something that&lt;br&gt;receives far too little attention. We have a post coming about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know you know this, but most people don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark- that is correct, but what I am referring to here is that even after<br />the fact, just because one has a higher average annual return does not mean<br />that you end up with more money than another investment with a lower annual<br />rate of return.</p>
<p>This is &#8220;old news&#8221; for some of us in the industry, but most [almost all]<br />people find shocking is that you can have an investment with a lower return<br />and up with more dollars at the end. In other words when choosing two<br />investments even with perfect foreknowledge it is not always the one with<br />the higher average annual rate of return that ends up with more dollars&#8230;</p>
<p>This is called &#8220;risk drag&#8221; or &#8220;volatility drag&#8221; and is something that<br />receives far too little attention. We have a post coming about it.</p>
<p>I know you know this, but most people don&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Losing money is far more painful [emotionally &amp; financially] then making it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, that is human psychology but it isn&#039;t really logical... Isn&#039;t reacting to that perceived pain a big factor that creates the behavior gap?  Why not learn how to deal with that pain and stick to your plan instead of trying to insure against?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;the last 12 months have helped many of us realize that the costs [emotional &amp; financial] of &gt;unprotected equity exposure might far outweigh the benefits. It turns out that higher returns do not &gt;always lead to more money if it comes with greater risk.&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been very happy with the opportunity from last 12 months... in fact I WISH the market had taken LONGER to recover so that I could have bought MORE cheap stocks.   I didn’t like seeing my account balances drop, but I don’t NEED to sell any shares for another 25 years so I kept Warren’s rule in mind and didn’t sell.   I didn&#039;t turn the paper losses into real losses.  I also followed Warren&#039;s other advice: &quot;..be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful&quot;  and increased my IRA contributions.   Both turned out to be very good advice in the short term, likely very great advice in the long term.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Rick Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Losing money is far more painful [emotionally &#038; financially] then making it.</p>
<p>Yes, that is human psychology but it isn&#39;t really logical&#8230; Isn&#39;t reacting to that perceived pain a big factor that creates the behavior gap?  Why not learn how to deal with that pain and stick to your plan instead of trying to insure against?  </p>
<p>&gt;the last 12 months have helped many of us realize that the costs [emotional &#038; financial] of &gt;unprotected equity exposure might far outweigh the benefits. It turns out that higher returns do not &gt;always lead to more money if it comes with greater risk.<br />I&#39;ve been very happy with the opportunity from last 12 months&#8230; in fact I WISH the market had taken LONGER to recover so that I could have bought MORE cheap stocks.   I didn’t like seeing my account balances drop, but I don’t NEED to sell any shares for another 25 years so I kept Warren’s rule in mind and didn’t sell.   I didn&#39;t turn the paper losses into real losses.  I also followed Warren&#39;s other advice: &#8220;..be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful&#8221;  and increased my IRA contributions.   Both turned out to be very good advice in the short term, likely very great advice in the long term.</p>
<p>-Rick Francis</p>
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		<title>By: RobBennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;there are ways to reduce your exposure to those “worst” days. You could lower your exposure to stocks. You could use some sort of insurance product. You could use a put option to protect your portfolio. I’m sure there are others. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You could take a look at the price you are paying for the stocks you buy before setting your allocation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There has never been a time in the history of the U.S. market when stocks purchased at reasonable prices provided a poor long-term returns. There has never been a time in the history of the U.S. market when stocks purchased at insanely high prices provided a good long-term return.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You could look it up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We make discussions of risk more complicated than they need to be. Risk is investing passively. Take prices into account (as we do when buying everything else we buy except for stocks) and 80 percent of the risk of stock investing goes &quot;poof!&quot; It&#039;s not stock investing that is risky. It is Passive Investing that is risky.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>there are ways to reduce your exposure to those “worst” days. You could lower your exposure to stocks. You could use some sort of insurance product. You could use a put option to protect your portfolio. I’m sure there are others. </i></p>
<p>You could take a look at the price you are paying for the stocks you buy before setting your allocation.</p>
<p>There has never been a time in the history of the U.S. market when stocks purchased at reasonable prices provided a poor long-term returns. There has never been a time in the history of the U.S. market when stocks purchased at insanely high prices provided a good long-term return.</p>
<p>You could look it up.</p>
<p>We make discussions of risk more complicated than they need to be. Risk is investing passively. Take prices into account (as we do when buying everything else we buy except for stocks) and 80 percent of the risk of stock investing goes &#8220;poof!&#8221; It&#39;s not stock investing that is risky. It is Passive Investing that is risky.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: MarkWolfinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkWolfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It turns out that higher returns do not always lead to more money if it comes with greater risk.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Higher risk means just that:  The opportunity for higher returns AND the opportunity for greater losses.  That&#039;s why risk management is so important.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The positive side of the equation is emphasized because it is Wall Street&#039;s job to convince people to buy and own stocks forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It turns out that higher returns do not always lead to more money if it comes with greater risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Higher risk means just that:  The opportunity for higher returns AND the opportunity for greater losses.  That&#39;s why risk management is so important.</p>
<p>The positive side of the equation is emphasized because it is Wall Street&#39;s job to convince people to buy and own stocks forever.</p>
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		<title>By: David_Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David_Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, consider what Eddy said today, quoting Tadas at Abnormal Returns:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2009/10/the_case_for_bu.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2009...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, consider what Eddy said today, quoting Tadas at Abnormal Returns:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2009/10/the_case_for_bu.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2009.." rel="nofollow">http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2009..</a>.</p>
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