Secret Society of REAL Financial Planners

A few days ago, I crossed the line.

I broke the code of silence.

I revealed the Secret Society of REAL Financial Planners (SSofRFP).

I have been thinking about how this SSofRFP got to be SO secret.

How can there be so many members of the SSofRFP quietly doing so many good things and yet still no one seems to notice?

Seth Godin’s post (rant) Friday morning hit the nail on the head:

Marketers have spammed, lied, deceived, cluttered and ripped us off for so long, we’re sick of it.

Which means that even if you have a really good reason, no, you can’t call me on the phone. Which means that even if it’s really important, no, I’m not going to read the instructions. Which means that god forbid you try to email me something I didn’t ask for… you’re trashed. It’s so fashionable to be skeptical now that no one believes you if you attempt to do something for the right reasons.

The financial services industry is THE problem. It is a huge, complex, conflicted, world, and fair or not, REAL financial planners (regardless of where they work) get lumped in with that group. So even though this group has something really valuable to offer, something that almost everyone needs, no one is paying attention.

In fact, it is even worse when someone decides to pay attention. It seems like a quaint little story, something that might have been true back in the day when business was done with a handshake. Today we are overwhelmed by stories of outright criminal activity in an industry where the only real asset is honor and trust.

So, as a group, the SSofRFP has to accept that NO ONE IS LISTENING. The well has been poisoned.

We have to accept that:

Selfish short-sighted marketers ruined it for all of us.

And as Seth points out, we have to realize that:

The only way out, I think, is for a few marketers to so overwhelm the market with long-term, generous marketing that we have no choice but to start paying attention again.

We need to start doing things like:

Greg Phelps in Las Vegas who recently spent the entire day offering FREE advice. Yep, that’s right, FREE! This wasn’t “free,” like come in thinking it is “free” and then I will trick you into meeting with me where I will sell you something you don’t need. This was free. Greg and another local advisor spent the entire day meeting with 30+ people who really needed help. I asked Greg if he got a single client from the event, or if he even expected to. He laughed and said, “No, this was just an effort to do something for the community.”

How about John Stephens who left the practice of medicine years ago to become a financial planner? He has been meeting with physicians while still in medical school (long before they can afford to pay him) simply because he can’t stand allowing them to repeat the mistakes many doctors have made with their money. The interesting thing is John has a business. He is not doing this to get more business. He is doing this to make a difference! He is doing this because it is the right thing to do.

John Charles Kernoodle in North Carolina spends at least part of his time working with widows. Years ago I asked him why: he told me because they get “screwed over” so often and it has to stop. He is not focused on widows because they are a good “target market.” He is focused on widows because they are so often the target of marketers! He wants to save his little portion of the world!

I could go on, but I am crossing the line again. In fact, this publicity might even make these members of the SSofRFP uncomfortable. But I am on a mission to expose this group!

If you are a member of the SSofRFP let me know. Let’s do this: if you have spotted a member of SSofRFP out there secretly doing something good, fire me an email with the story. They deserve to be recognized.

  • Just Me
    Great. More free work. I'd like to get paid. I'm tired of hearing about all these damn con artists making bzillions and I'm struggling to keep food on the table being honest and trying to help peopl. I don't need to give MORE free advice. I need to get paid. I've literally had the proverbial little old lady who got scammed by an annuity sales rep tell me that she can't afford to pay me anything to help sort out her messes. She sure as hell had money to pay the crook with!!! Why does he get paid and I don't???
  • mattheweverson
    I'm a member! Every month since March, I go down to our local "JobLink" (a Federal and State funded program to link unemployed folks with a job opportunity) and give a FREE 1.5 hour talk about surviving a layoff or unemployment.

    We talk through credit card debt, savings, budgets, health insurance, COBRA, unemployment insurance, facets of 401(k)/IRA rollover and generally how to survive a financial crisis.

    The talks are pro-bono but because of the good words I'm geeting, I did actually gain a client via referral.

    The best was the reaction of the director JobLink's remarks after my first talk. She was apparently as skeptical as Seth above. "You shocked me! Not a mention of life insurance, mutual funds or how you could help people if they'd come meet with you! Not a single come on! Wow! Thank you!"

    Yes, there are REAL and Trustworth Financial Planners. We're struggling to make ends meet ourselves right now because we don't purposely rip folks off. I'd sleep a lot better at night if it weren't for my own fiscal tightness at the moment! But, I'll make it. And it feels good to help others get solid advice they need.
  • Thanks Matthew! Keep it up!
  • rwohlner
    A good place for folks to start looking for an unbiased financial advisor who is focused on their needs and not on selling product is NAPFA (www.napfa.org). Am I biased, you bet. I am a proud NAPFA member and a member of the group's Midwest Regional Board. I am more and more impressed with my fellow members and their dedication to their clients with each conference I attend and with each interaction with a fellow member. Obviously anyone looking for a financial planner should do their homework and being a member of NAPFA does not automatically make someone the right advisor for a particular consumer. I would urge anyone looking for an advisor to include NAPFA in their search.
  • Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I think that we might have to do a SSofRFP t-shirt....

    @MoneyEnergy & Kevin: I think that many of the personal finance bloggers are doing a GREAT job elevating the discussion and providing great, actionable information. I have become friends with a number of them and we have had this very discussion. There is a distinction, but in the end we are all after the same thing, to HELP PEOPLE AVOID MAKE STUPID MISTAKES with their money. We are all really on the same team, and the more people we have doing good work the better!

    But this specific post was focused on professional financial planners.
    The real ones.
    The good ones.
    The ones that no one (except their clients and thier moms) really believes exist.

    The Secret Society of Real Financial Planners!
  • Do you know what I like about this post? Mostly it recognizes that there are countless professionals working hard in the best interests of their clients. "CFP professional gets paid fairly for valuable service" just doesn't make a good headline. Frankly, I don't care about designations. I have plenty but that does not assure competence nor ethics. I don't care if you are fee-only, fee-based, or commission only. All compensation models have their good points and weaknesses. Despite all the regulation, oversight, education, and professional organizations we still all know supposed "contemporaries" who would run over their own mothers if it could produce a few sheckles for them. Unfortunately, those are the face of the industry (as the general public sees it). But I also know of several local professionals who I hope my wife would go to if something were to happen to me - and what higher praise could I offer them? In the end you can tell if you should be wearing the "white hat" or "black hat" based on the feedback you get from your clients and the tenure of your relationship. In the long run serving interests other that the clients always becomes apparent.
  • Tell me where I can sign up as a SSofRFP member. FYI - FPA of Ventura is working together with local media to provide a whole day of FREE financial planning advice - workshops plus one-on-ones. CFP chapter in Boston did it a year ago. A few of us REALLY do exist.
  • John-
    Still working on the details of membership....think it will be some sort of
    nomination process, but not sure.

    I am not sure there will ever be an offical membership, because the group is
    so secret we might have to exist in spirit only...we may have to have a self
    selecting membership based on old fashion things like being nice to
    people...then again maybe we will just make a SSofRFP t-shirt and let anyone
    in that will pony up!
  • The financial service industry is indeed infested with conflicts of interest. Many in this business build their success on salesmanship, few stewardship. In my practice, I examine many portfolios, the ways "financial advisors" make money on their clients (not for their clients) are simply mind boggling. One wonders how could they sleep well at night.

    Here is a cautionary tale (a true story): http://investmentscientist.com/2009/04/08/stagg...
  • Mike
    I'm an example of just what Seth describes. Someone doing something for free just for the sake of the community? It's got to be a new fangled scam, right? I think people have come "expect" deception.

    The good must suffer the consequences of the evildoers.. who aren't punished for their own wrongdoings anyway. If there aren't any consequences for their unethical behavior, why should they change?

    Just the other day I read an advertisement in our local neighborhood newspaper from a real estate agent who advertised to hire him because of the fiduciary duty he gives all of his clients. The words "Realtor" and "Fiduciary" used in the same sentence? C'mon.
  • Your thoughts about how marketers are ruining the business are absolutely dead on! It seems like "fiduciary" is a four-letter word to many in our profession. Matter of fact, I have begun getting a steady flow of referrals from a local estate planning attorney. These referrals are mainly to have me help mop up the damage done by some of the more unscrupulous advisors out there. In many instances, the only reasoning I can find behind some of the product recommendations are sheer commission maximization, pure and simple! I'm glad to hear another advisor out there acting as a vocal advocate for consumers.
  • Nice idea, I like it.... don't independent pf bloggers count? We're the secret that's right out in the open. I offer all kinds of great free financial advice that's worked for me:)!
  • Free financial advice is great social work, but professional advice provision is, well...professional, and needs standards and monitoring and regulatory control and continuing education and competency controls. So, no, independent bloggers don't count. They count karmically, but this is a profession in trouble. We appreciate our friends, and you are one, but cheers us on. Tell stories about all the good we do on your blog. The profession has value and needs defending right now. We may send folks to your blog for info if you are good, but we need to maintain the barriers to entry in the profession, and if anything, raise them.
  • Hoping you can spread the word, but recognizing the difficulty of your task.
    Mark
  • Agree with Mark as even though you're right we hope you can spread the word.
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